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Firstly: For those who have asked, my new address is:

919 Oak St., Apt. 1
Eudora, KS 66025.

New phone, though it isn't working yet due to some interference from Sunflower Broadband, is:
(785) 542-3474.

Secondly: This being the first week of February, and thusly the first Friday in February, we'll meet at the usual time and place for the Bureau 13 thing. [livejournal.com profile] sherwood21 may not make it due to some family considerations; all other players are invited to attend as this time we'll actually be *playing*.

And the last thing: For anyone who doesn't like or doesn't agree with anything I post here, you do have the right to *ask* why I feel that way or hold that opinion.

You do *NOT* have the right to demand that I justify my opinions to you, anonymously or otherwise.

Don't like it? There's the door. Don't let it hit you in the head on the way out. Unfriending me would not hurt my feelings in the slightest, and my own friends list would probably benefit from some winnowing anyway.

Date: 2006-02-02 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bountifulpots.livejournal.com
I am thinking of trying an experiment on us for dinner, since it looks like we'll be having lower numbers than usual... Alton Brown's turkey brine recipe...

Date: 2006-02-02 06:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duane-kc.livejournal.com
Tried that one, with a few substitutions...might have worked better if I hadn't accidentally got a pre-cooked turkey breast, but it was pretty good anyway.

Date: 2006-02-02 05:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bountifulpots.livejournal.com
Oh, I also have another Soup Kitchen newbie who might be interested in playing, who would like to come on Friday. That okay with you?

Date: 2006-02-02 06:02 am (UTC)

Date: 2006-02-02 05:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverblaidd.livejournal.com
Bah. Fuck those assholes.

Date: 2006-02-02 07:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feonor.livejournal.com
Somebody presents an opposing viewpoint and your response is to make personal attacks and use foul language? Very mature, bub.

Date: 2006-02-02 08:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ambersaigh.livejournal.com
There's quite a difference between presenting an opposing viewpoint and demanding justification. As the latter is quite a deal less polite than the former, it deserves a less polite response. There's no need to go demanding anything of anyone in their own personal space and there's no need to go chastising someone who wasn't even addressing the party doing the chastising. Bub.

Date: 2006-02-02 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feonor.livejournal.com
So if somebody is rude, its ok to be rude back? Interesting...

Date: 2006-02-03 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverblaidd.livejournal.com
There's this wonderful tool that is provided you by your browser, it's called a scroll bar.

It's over there to the right. ------->

Feel free to use it anytime you find something you don't like.

Date: 2006-02-03 03:50 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
So you would rather people avoid talking to you than disagree with you. Also interesting...

Date: 2006-02-03 03:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feonor.livejournal.com
And yes, that was me. I didn't realize I wasn't logged in.
Mea culpa.

Date: 2006-02-03 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverblaidd.livejournal.com
So you would rather people avoid talking to you than disagree with you. Also interesting...

I would rather people shut up than bitch on and on and on and on in defense of their poor egos over being called an asshole because they were rude and inconsiderate to a friend.

Date: 2006-02-03 05:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duane-kc.livejournal.com
Blaidd. Enough. Thanks for your concern, but the more you reply, the more he's going to try to get your back up.

Love ya, darlin'. [hug]

Date: 2006-02-03 05:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverblaidd.livejournal.com
Yessir.

*grin, hug*

Date: 2006-02-02 09:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverblaidd.livejournal.com
Well, then I guess it's a good thing I wasn't trying to be mature (or impress you, or even address you), hey? Bub.

Date: 2006-02-02 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feonor.livejournal.com
You are so right. Politeness and civility are soooo over-rated. We should always lower ourselves to the most barbaric level possible. Are you going to threaten to beat me up next, or are you at lest mature enough to avoid that?

Date: 2006-02-03 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverblaidd.livejournal.com
Politeness and civility don't come in the form of snarky remarks left by a coward in someone else's space.

Are you going to threaten to beat me up next,

Don't be silly, this is the internet. Proper etiquette is to point and laugh.


P.S. Please direct me to where I indicated that your opinion matters.

Date: 2006-02-03 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feonor.livejournal.com
Obviously they don't come from people responding to said "snarky remarks" either, I guess.

As for the pointing and laughing, I've been doing the latter if not the former. Its not polite to point...

My opinion has the same value as yours; both are opinions. You are free to toss insults to people who can't fight back and I am free to call you on it.

Date: 2006-02-03 04:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverblaidd.livejournal.com
You're pretty defensive about this. Why? Are you the one that was being exceptionally rude and cowering behind anonymous comments?

And who said that anyone can't fight back? You're right here, commenting, blathering on over a simple statement in someones journal that you took so personally and can't seem to get over.

I don't see where anyone is being denied the ability to comment or reply. I see you going on and on about it while it's very clear in this very post what the sentiments are.

Here, let me help you remember:

Don't like it? There's the door. Don't let it hit you in the head on the way out.

If you don't like I and others agreed with the post, fine. You've said that much. However, no one cares.

If you're so anxious to disagree with people and pick fights, might I suggest the local bar?

Date: 2006-02-03 06:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feonor.livejournal.com
As per Duane's request I'll be leaving this alone any further.

Date: 2006-02-02 07:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feonor.livejournal.com
Glad to see you standing up for yourself! Nobody has the right to be rude, especially in somebody else's journal. I hope this isn't referring to my comments on the upside-down flag thing. I sent you an email about that but never heard back from you.

Remember that just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't mean that they are being rude. It doesn't even need to mean that they dislike you. I have several people that I disagree with who I like very much. It doesn't mean we aren't friends, just that we don't see eye to eye on a particular subject. If I eliminated everybody from my friends list that I have had a disagreement with on at least one topic then I probably wouldn't have anybody on my friends list.

As to this latest situation, I went and read the anonymous comments and I'm confused. The anonymous comments obviously are from somebody that disagrees with you politically, but it looks like the person did just what you wanted - asked a question. Instead of answering, you asked a question of your own and tossed some retoric. The person answered your question with some facts and asked couple more questions, which you again never saw fit to answer. So where was the demand for justification? Where is the rudeness? What, besides posting anonymously, did they do wrong?

Date: 2006-02-03 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duane-kc.livejournal.com
Hmm. I've just gone back and re-read the post in question.

Facts? What facts? Said anonymous poster tossed out three phrases and asked me to cite evidence that the President falsified information. I never said that. I said he prosecuted a war with falsified intelligence information.

Admittedly, I made two errors:
1. I didn't say "intelligence information that was known to be of dubious provenance by the CIA", instead of "falsified" information; and,
2. I did take the tone of the commentary from said anonymous poster as inflammatory.

Nevertheless, this is my journal, not a debating society. I do not have to justify my beliefs to anyone, much less an anonymous internet troll, and any deleting of posts I do is my business, whether I delete them because I simply don't care to argue about them, or for *any* *other* *reason*. Should I choose to discuss my own beliefs, I will do so, loudly, and at length. I did not and do not choose to spend time digging up citations for the benefit of someone who is simply trying to start an argument anyway.

Oh; and leave Blaidd alone. She posted a statement of her opinion of the action I should take; you chose to take it as an invitation to start a flamewar in *my* bleedin' journal. She's a friend of mine, of many years' standing; you're someone I've maybe spoken to three times *total* at Faire, in character more often than not, I think. Guess who's side I'm going to take. Go on. Guess.

Yes, I'm greatly annoyed at the moment, if everyone couldn't tell.

Date: 2006-02-03 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feonor.livejournal.com
First of all, it was never my intent to annoy you. I was annoyed by Blaidd taking shots at somebody who couldn't or wouldn't defend themselves. IIRC, I've come to your defense as well, probably more times than you know about if you only remember talking to me three times. Its what I do- stand up for those who can't or won't do it for themselves. what can I say, I'm a sucker for an underdog. So, sorry for annoying you.

In regards my qiestioning the deletion of your post. I wasn't trying to tell you how to run your journal,I was concerned that I had offended you. that is why I sent the email when you deleted the post. I wasn't asking you to *justify* your decision, I was looking for you to let me know I hadn't screwed up. Sorry for caring.

As for the rest, it is your right to do with your journal what you will. None the less, I would give you the same advice Roguewench gave me when I started politial comments in my journal: "You should never feel as if you have to hide your views. However, if you do express your views, you should be prepared for others to disagree with you if they do so." Or as my Debate coach once said, "If you can't defend your position you shouldn't enter the Arena of Ideas."

Since you have made it clear you are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas, I will not waste your time further.

Date: 2006-02-03 06:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duane-kc.livejournal.com
Excuse me, but "taking shots at somebody who couldn't or wouldn't defend themselves"? She told *me* to ignore *them*, in her own normal idiom. You chose to attack her, in an ad hominem attack on her personally.

As for defending my position, and an "honest exchange of ideas", so far many things you've posted here have come across (in my opinion, and I'm certain Blaidd's as well,) as inflammatory, rude, and pushy. Perhaps it might sound different in person; I don't know. Nevertheless, I stand by my earlier statement: this is *my* journal. I keep it here to post things that strike my fancy, and to comment non-anonymously in other's journals. It is not a debating forum, and therefore does not have to adhere to Robert's Rules of Order.

I don't give a tinker's damn if someone disagrees with me, and states their own opinion, and we choose to debate about it; I do that quite frequently in Real Life. This, however, is My Personal Space, and I take umbrage at having it invaded. I made the mistake of actually replying to a troll, instead of ignoring it and deleting the comment, mea culpa. I do not choose to continue this debate, however.

Date: 2006-02-02 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowangolightly.livejournal.com
Hey...you still interested in playing Dr. Dee for this Elizabethan Faire at the end of June?

I haven't signed a contract yet but am lining stuff up in my head anyway...

Date: 2006-02-03 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duane-kc.livejournal.com
This year's looking a little iffy for me to add *anything* to my schedule. Still paying off medical bills from last June.

Sorry 'bout that, but until I can get these paid off, no new costumery or unpaid travel for me.

Date: 2006-02-03 04:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowangolightly.livejournal.com
That's ok, my dear. Just checking. I'm sure there'll be time to participate again another year.

I just needed to know so I could plan.

*grin* It's alright....I still love you!

Date: 2006-02-03 06:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duane-kc.livejournal.com
Thanks. Keep me posted; if I get a free paycheck, I'd still *love* to come down and see the new place, meet the owners, etc.

Date: 2006-02-03 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowangolightly.livejournal.com
You bet! I'm sure I'll be talking about it so much that everyone will be sick and tired of hearing about it!

Date: 2006-02-02 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bleuberi21.livejournal.com
um...about friday night. is there anything i need to do for my character? since i wasn't there last time? *yes, i've never done this before*

Date: 2006-02-03 03:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duane-kc.livejournal.com
Nope. I think I've got everything covered for that; I've got your character sheet, and I'm getting your medical bag packed right now. :)

Date: 2006-02-03 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bleuberi21.livejournal.com
next question...do you know if there's anyone living near me that i might be able to hitch a ride with? i'm severely low on gas and funds.
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Date: 2006-02-03 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feonor.livejournal.com
If by "picking on" you mean "publically disagreeing with" then I must admit to the charge. Feel free to bring your chainsaw and jump up any time you're feeling froggy. However, if you use that as your definition of "picking on" then your list of targets will be quite long. Everybody disagrees over something at some point.

I like Duane; I think he is a great guy. I consider him a friend and I hope he would consider the same of me. That does not mean I will always agree with him, nor that I will hesitate to tell him when I think he is wrong.

"Honest criticism is hard to take, particularly from a relative, a friend, an acquaintance, or a stranger."
-Franklin P. Jones

"A good friend can tell you what is the matter with you in a minute. He may not seem such a good friend after telling."
-Arthur Brisbane, "The Book of Today"

Date: 2006-02-03 12:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherwood21.livejournal.com
I can tell you now that I'm definitely not going to make it. I've got to work Saturday morning, and I'm whipped already. If I'm not over at [livejournal.com profile] lisichance's, then I'm going to collapse early. Sorry. :(

Date: 2006-02-03 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duane-kc.livejournal.com
No problem, Kate. You've got more important things going on.

Date: 2006-02-04 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bountifulpots.livejournal.com
Was thinking of you a lot tonight, sweetie... If there's anything I can do to make things easier over that way, just let me know...
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